Does Joe Torre ruin relief pitchers?

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I want you, not the guy next to you, you. Stop acting like one of the Night at the Roxbury guys and get out here

Near the end of my last column on the pitchers I have been tracking since before the season, I wrote the following about Ramon Troncoso:

“In the article before the season, I said that Ramon’s worst enemy was Joe Torre. I worried that he might blow out his arm. Currently, he has pitched 53 innings in 82 Dodger games. That’s on pace for more than 100 innings. Here is my prediction: Either Troncoso gets injured in August or he gives up a devastating hit in the Division Series because his arm is shot. Write it down, its a lock.”

After writing that, I got to thinking about whether or not Joe Torre was bad on relief pitchers. Everyone seems to say that he is, and as you know all to well now, once I start thinking about something I have to know if it is true. So, once again, lets start with an explanation, show you a chart, and then talk about what it might mean.

I decided to look at relief pitchers under Joe Torre since 1990 when he started managing with the Cardinals. More specifically, I looked at the relief pitchers with the top two innings totals in each year that Joe managed. I also looked at how many innings those pitchers threw the following year as well as whether or not they ever pitched that many innings again in their career. Here is what it looks like:

Year Name Innings Pitched Innings Pitched the Following Year Percentage Decrease Ever pitch that again?

1990

Frank DiPino

81

0

100%

no

1990

Ken Dayley

73.1

4.1

94%

no

1991

Juan Agosto

86

50

42%

no

1991

Scott Terry

80.1

0

100%

never pitched again

1992

Mike Perez

93

72.2

22%

no

1992

Cris Carpenter

88

69.1

21%

no

1993

Omar Olivares

118.2

73.2

38%

became starter

1993

Mike Perez

72.2

31

57%

no

1994

Rene Arocha

83

49.2

41%

1994

Rich Rodriguez

60.1

1.2

98%

yes

1995

Rich DeLucia

82.1

61.2

25%

no

1995

Jeff Parrett

76.2

66.1

13%

no

1996

Mariano Rivera

107.2

71.2

34%

yes*

1996

Bob Wickman

95.2

95.2

0%

no

1997

Ramiro Mendoza

133.2

130.1

2%

no

1997

Jeff Nelson

78.2

40.1

49%

no

1998

Ramiro Mendoza

130.1

123.2

5%

no

1998

Mike Stanton

79

62.1

21%

yes

1999

Ramiro Mendoza

123.2

65.2

47%

no

1999

Jason Grimsley

75

96

-28%

yes

2000

Jason Grimsley

96.1

80.1

17%

no

2000

Mariano Rivera

75.2

80.2

-7%

yes*

2001

Ramiro Mendoza

100.2

91.2

9%

no

2001

Mariano Rivera

80.2

46

43%

yes*

2002

Ramiro Mendoza

91.2

66.2

27%

no

2002

Steve Karsay

88.1

0

100%

no

2003

Mariano Rivera

70.2

78.2

-11%

yes*

2003

Chris Hammond

63

53.2

16%

no

2004

Paul Quantrill

95.1

69

27%

no

2004

Tom Gordon

89.2

80.2

10%

no

2005

Tom Gordon

80.2

59.1

26%

no

2005

Tanyon Sturtze

78

10

87%

no

2006

Scott Proctor

102

86.1

16%

no

2006

Ron Villone

80.1

42.1

47%

no*

2007

Luis Vizcaino

75.1

46

39%

no*

2007

Mariano Rivera

71.1

70.2

1%

no*

Now, some explanation of what we see. There are 37 pitching seasons on the list and 14 of those 37 seasons saw the pitcher throw 40% or less innings in the following year. I did some searching on the internet and of those 14 pitchers, 12 of them missed time the following season due to arm injuries (Ken Dayley suddenly developed serious vertigo after the 1990 season and eventually retired and Ron Villone had lower back issues inĀ  2007). That means that 32% of pitchers in this analysis had arm injuries the year following being one of the top two pitchers utilized by Torre.

Before drawing any conclusions, lets delve a little deeper. Of those 37 cases, only 7 of them ever pitched that many innings again. Of those seven, 3 cases were Mariano Rivera. The entire list of pitchers who ever threw that many innings again is Rich Rodriguez, Mike Stanton, Jason Grimsley, Mariano Rivera, and Omar Olivares (who became a starter). Only three times did a pitcher ever throw more innings in the following year, and two of those cases were Rivera (and before you think that Rivera is throwing off the numbers, eliminating him from the analysis only increases the injury rate to 34%)

So what are we to think? Well, with the usual caveat that this is not perfectly scientific, I think these numbers are somewhat compelling. A 32% injury rate is quite high when you factor in what a pitcher throwing 70-90 innings out of the pen means to a team. You don’t get that many innings if you are not effective. If nearly one out of every three highly used pitchers are going to break down, there is certainly an issue that any diligent team should investigate. If we wanted to be really critical of Joe Torre’s abuse of pitchers, we could also mention that Scott Proctor and Tom Gordon broke down after the second year of abuse.

The numbers tell us that you don’t want to be one of Joe Torre’s favorites. They tell us that you have a nearly 32% chance of getting injured the next year. If the pattern holds that means that Chan Ho Park and Cory Wade are on the clock from last year. I wish them both the best of luck in avoiding the 32% chance. That leaves us with only one question for Mr. Troncoso…are you feeling lucky?

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